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host and we have a great one for you

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tonight as I mentioned many times over

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the years how I believe that Ariel the

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Ariel phenomena School phenomenon or

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incident whatever you want to say back

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in 1994 I believe it has the most

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incredible credible case with those

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school children and I have Gunter who

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arrived pretty early on in the scene

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with uh Cynthia Hines he's going to be

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on with us tonight our blog this week is

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UFOs over Michelle's Scotland by Charles

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Lear those are made into an audio blog

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as well you can see them here on our

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and as I mentioned last week at the end

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of the show that if you've had

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um a really uh incredible UFO sighting

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please do get a hold of me I'd like to

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start doing those 15 minute or so or

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less Clips on just the encounters and

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you get a hold of me at Martin at

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podcast ufo.com and I think I'm about

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ready I do want to thank everyone that

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supports the show anyone can do that and

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that information's uh over at patreon or

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podcast ufo.com right there on our

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website and here he is Gunter welcome to

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the show

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nice to meet you guys and I hope um you

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know we have a fantastic evening today

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uh really a pleasure to be on your show

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and greetings to all the people who are

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watching today

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yes thank you uh Gunter so Gunter you've

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had a very amazing career because as

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soon as you really got into the UFO

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topic you jumped right in and you were

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involved right away and I see is this

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your photography behind you that I'm

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looking at yes uh what are what's behind

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me is my astrophotography it's just a

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hobby of mine that I do it's beautiful

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ever do you ever display that anywhere

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like on a website or anything like that

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ghofer.com

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ah okay all right well I hope people

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visit it because of these are really

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incredible images so I want to ask you

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first of all what got you interested in

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the topic of UFOs to begin with

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it started out in my teen years when my

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father was reading uh Cynthia's book

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this one here yeah African encounters

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which people may know about

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I just saw it on the bookshelf and I

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picked it up and uh you know it caught

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my imagination and my interest because

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it wasn't like a science fiction book

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these were real events at Cynthia was

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investigating in southern Africa

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basically Zimbabwe South Africa that

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region and

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obviously I started reading more into it

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and then one day I had a more personal

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I was really in a year for book and my

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grandmother spotted me reading you know

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I was just sitting out on the table

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reading and she said I saw one of those

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things and I said what you mean you saw

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one of these things and she said oh in

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she saw it

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um what looked like two soup plates

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in a town called

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Zimbabwe she had a little shop there she

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bit of civil warnings involving

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um that time was called Rhodesia and uh

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they saw a light in the distance she was

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closing the shop up and the security

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saw the slight in the distance

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approaching for them

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and she thought oh maybe it was a

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helicopter or airplane because of the

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and as he got closer she was a bit

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puzzled because there was no sound

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it was a very unusual shape it was a

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black disk like object with a very

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intense bright light underneath it

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like if to come down to land not far

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from them virtually at tree height

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was staying started getting excited

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because they had never seen an object

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like this so they started shouting and

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pointing and all that

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and suddenly the object just took off at

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I don't know 45 degrees and shot off

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yeah sure I mean all these years I had

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known that and she's never told me

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anything until she saw me reading the

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book you know I find that I find that uh

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if when I'm out there in the general

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public if you know the topic happens to

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come up and I say well I you know I do a

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show on UFOs or whatever and or somehow

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that I bring it up or or whatever it is

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and you'd be surprised at how many

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people have seen something

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it seems like there's a pretty high

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percentage of our society that says oh

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yeah I've saw something I couldn't

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explain

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yeah you know absolutely true I've you

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know just randomly had people talk to me

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um that they've seen these objects just

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because I've shown an interest you know

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but they would kind of dismiss it and

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say you know I saw this thing but you

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know I just couldn't

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accept it or they're just dismissed it

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as to some unusual light and that was

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that you know it's only when years later

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someone was talking about the subject

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and they said you know what I saw this

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thing and I couldn't figure out what it

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was

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still kind of like disturbs them because

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it just doesn't quite figure with

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anything they've seen

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yeah yeah so and you also got into doing

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some because I know right away when the

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aerial incident happened you were there

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with some type of homemade geiger

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counter type of thing right I mean you

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you got interested in that aspect of it

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yeah I mean obviously before going to

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Ariel I was helping Cynthia

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with some of her investigations and I

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how I got involved with Cynthia

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obviously I read her book and there was

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a postal address which you could write

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letters to her and you know if you had a

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case or wanted to know information

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Etc so I wrote to her saying I had this

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device that might help

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with maybe some of the investigations

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I'd made a device that was picked up

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electrostatic Fields so if there's a

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object with a lot of

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electrical field or magnetic field it

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could pick it up so I thought maybe that

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so she got interested and contacted me

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and I made some devices

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which we gave her which I gave her

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because there was a case she was

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investigating where someone was having

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like Encounters in their house

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like something was coming in their room

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at night

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and so he took this person took the

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device to his room to see if they had

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any reaction but I can't remember if

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there was a reaction or anything after

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that or if he had another encounter

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and um so I became so Cynthia kind of

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like asked me if I'd be interested in

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getting involved you know being part of

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her team and get involved in helping

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and I used to Harbor like maybe take

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some photographs

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or bring some of the equipment along or

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just um you know just come along for the

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investigation and just take in

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information or listening to the

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witnesses that she used to interview

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and of course every year she had a I

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quarterly or six months depending on how

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much news because she was part of mufon

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she used to get information

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and when she had enough information she

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would bring in to us and do a

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presentation to a few members

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of the public you know maybe like us

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half a dozen people were invited to a

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home and she would give her a little

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talk and presentation of what she heard

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and listened to and information she got

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from mufon from cases around the world

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so at that time you have to remember we

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didn't have the internet there was a

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just maybe telephone or yeah occasional

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books and letters from people

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correspondents that kind of thing so

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things were kind of slower moving so

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Cynthia kind of collected the

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over the year and then did a

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presentation to a few people and if

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she had big cases she would go out and

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do presentations to the public

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when you would go out with her on these

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cases what was some of the earlier ones

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that you did did you do some prior to

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there were some prior to the aerial I

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to a town to the I think it was bandura

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and we had an interesting case there

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because we had a young boy who was

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studying at night time

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and he had this clicking sound every

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couple of minutes outside his window

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because he was doing studying late at

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night so

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he switched off the light because he has

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a bit puzzle about the sound that was

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coming outside because there's a road

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that went

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almost like a roundabout in his area

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and there's a school across the other

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so he went out and he's there was a

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little Bush or Hedge

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and he was hiding me to look what was

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what was causing this clicking sound

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because he thought someone was coming

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along making funny noises

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well he has a kind of terrified because

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what he saw was a small Bean with some

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kind of rucksack some kind of suit

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it had some kind of area coming out of

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the light and a some kind of beeping

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sound emanating from this device and

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around the whole creature there was a

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rainbow

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pearl of light kind of effect around it

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like almost some kind of

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field around this creature

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and across the road the security guard

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of the school witnessed the same thing

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we tried to get the security guard but

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the security guard was terrified to come

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forward to tell us about it

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and the young boy described that it left

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kind of foot marks in the ground they

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were like

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a pattern of five

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you know because I was a Dutch Road it

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wasn't hard

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so you could see the actual impressions

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in the ground so he just drew an

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impression on the ground law five kind

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like in a pattern of five you're saying

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yeah you know like if it's some kind of

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boot I don't know

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whatever the

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Footwear or if it had kind of Footwear

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if it was at the feet I'm not sure

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created this five patterns

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on the ground yeah

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but we didn't actually see it because we

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only met the boy

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weeks afterwards you know because he

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wrote to Cynthia you know oh I see yeah

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yeah things go uh so slowly that way you

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some of the cases are rural so sometimes

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you get the information maybe weeks

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some of them are much older years even

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you know depending

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at the time how far away were you from

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where the Ariel school was

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cool is about uh

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22 kilometers from the capital of ararre

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where we were based which is about 14

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miles roughly away so it's not too far

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away right really cool and yeah so how

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Cynthia got to hear about it initially

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was Tim leech you may remember yes BBC

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photographer cameraman got a picture he

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was a war photographer yeah that's right

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yeah and um

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he found Cynthia he found her and

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he said did you do you know there was uh

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a landing at a school called Ariel just

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outside Harare and he had spoken to the

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Headmaster

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and

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that's how he got involved in that

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uh so this was in on the 16th of

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September

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1994 he called Cynthia on Friday late

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afternoon or early evening

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and then after that Cynthia

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found me to let you know because she

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arranged to go to the school uh you know

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because it was a Friday now all the

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school was closed for the weekend so we

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only could get to the school with the

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following week and we went on the

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Tuesday the 20th of September

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hmm

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um yeah so from there we um

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we proceeded to

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um

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we went to the BBC myself Cynthia

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and she had two colleagues and one of

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them was her son he helped up carrying

346
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some of the equipment that we had there

347
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yeah

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so what was it like walking let's let's

349
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just focus on that for a little while

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um so what was it like walking into the

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schoolyard and starting to hear some of

352
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I don't know if she did all her

353
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interviews right there in front of you

354
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or some of them or what was all that

355
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like for you

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the initial well for me I didn't know

357
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what to expect because I've I've heard

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of

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some encounters but nothing like this

360
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yeah so it was quite quite a new kind of

361
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experience for me for myself so I didn't

362
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know what to expect really

363
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and

364
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Cynthia was a little bit excited as well

365
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and you know fascinated

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because she never had something this big

367
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so we were there with the BBC so Tom was

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filming we went into the

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school and the Headmaster had already

370
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had a few kids in in the office

371
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and they're on the table there there was

372
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a few of the images that the children

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had

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drawn the previous day I believe

375
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so that they had it all fresh in memory

376
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so we wanted them Cynthia actually asked

377
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him to sort of the kids to sit

378
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individually and draw what they saw so

379
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when she came she could have a look

380
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through the images that they had um

381
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created obviously it was fascinating to

382
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see all the images

383
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a lot of them had to face similar

384
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drawings of

385
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The Craft

386
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between the trees

387
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and some of them showed three crafts you

388
00:17:47,570 --> 00:17:43,620
know in the sky flying and there's even

389
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uh I think I saw two that mentioned

390
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that even on Thursday the day before

391
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there was something visible so they

392
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showed a little

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drawing where they said Thursday we saw

394
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this object and then on Friday they had

395
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the main event so there's actually the

396
00:18:05,510 --> 00:18:03,840
event didn't actually only happen on the

397
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Friday the 16th

398
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but also on the Thursday the 15th there

399
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was a sighting with some of the kids saw

400
00:18:18,230 --> 00:18:15,960
a cigar-shaped object flying

401
00:18:20,930 --> 00:18:18,240
you know this is a part of the story

402
00:18:23,750 --> 00:18:20,940
that I have never heard hmm

403
00:18:27,250 --> 00:18:23,760
so that's that's really interesting and

404
00:18:31,190 --> 00:18:27,260
I uh and then you know the other thing

405
00:18:33,830 --> 00:18:31,200
that I find really fascinating is some

406
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of the kids have

407
00:18:37,789 --> 00:18:35,520
um and I believe I had I'm trying to

408
00:18:38,750 --> 00:18:37,799
think who I had one of the kids that I

409
00:18:41,810 --> 00:18:38,760
had on

410
00:18:45,409 --> 00:18:41,820
um in Madagascar what's his name um

411
00:18:48,470 --> 00:18:45,419
oh I think I know it's not Francis yes

412
00:18:51,289 --> 00:18:48,480
Francis Francis uh was saying that he

413
00:18:53,690 --> 00:18:51,299
saw these like little orbs or something

414
00:18:56,210 --> 00:18:53,700
spinning around the object which is

415
00:18:58,310 --> 00:18:56,220
quite fascinating I think a few other

416
00:18:59,870 --> 00:18:58,320
people saw something like that yes

417
00:19:01,789 --> 00:18:59,880
because what the kids were describing

418
00:19:04,130 --> 00:19:01,799
they saw like like I mentioned the main

419
00:19:06,110 --> 00:19:04,140
object and then they saw a few smaller

420
00:19:08,090 --> 00:19:06,120
objects

421
00:19:09,950 --> 00:19:08,100
um flying with that

422
00:19:12,490 --> 00:19:09,960
yeah and

423
00:19:15,049 --> 00:19:12,500
some of the kids were

424
00:19:17,690 --> 00:19:15,059
described in a very interesting way how

425
00:19:19,490 --> 00:19:17,700
this object moved and I can't

426
00:19:21,770 --> 00:19:19,500
that's what made it more fascinating for

427
00:19:24,230 --> 00:19:21,780
me when they saw the objects flying some

428
00:19:26,770 --> 00:19:24,240
of the kids they said the objects flew

429
00:19:29,570 --> 00:19:26,780
and then disappeared reappeared

430
00:19:32,150 --> 00:19:29,580
disappeared reappeared somewhere else

431
00:19:33,970 --> 00:19:32,160
so it wasn't like it was moving along it

432
00:19:36,650 --> 00:19:33,980
kind of like appeared disappeared

433
00:19:39,770 --> 00:19:36,660
reappeared over here disappeared and

434
00:19:42,409 --> 00:19:39,780
reappeared over here and then landed

435
00:19:44,450 --> 00:19:42,419
and some of the kids said they were the

436
00:19:46,909 --> 00:19:44,460
main Landing there and then it was

437
00:19:49,549 --> 00:19:46,919
another Landing a little bit further up

438
00:19:53,450 --> 00:19:49,559
so

439
00:19:57,110 --> 00:19:53,460
we went on the day when we went to talk

440
00:19:58,549 --> 00:19:57,120
to the kids and had the interviews

441
00:20:00,470 --> 00:19:58,559
two kids

442
00:20:03,230 --> 00:20:00,480
um

443
00:20:06,529 --> 00:20:03,240
myself and Tim went to them and they

444
00:20:08,150 --> 00:20:06,539
were showing us the um the area where

445
00:20:11,029 --> 00:20:08,160
they thought the main Landing was

446
00:20:12,710 --> 00:20:11,039
because a lot of the kids were on the

447
00:20:14,810 --> 00:20:12,720
edge of the field

448
00:20:17,870 --> 00:20:14,820
because there's a boundary they had put

449
00:20:21,049 --> 00:20:17,880
some logs between

450
00:20:23,810 --> 00:20:21,059
the rough Savannah kind of grass going

451
00:20:24,789 --> 00:20:23,820
into Bush you know be shrubs in the

452
00:20:28,130 --> 00:20:24,799
background

453
00:20:29,690 --> 00:20:28,140
and they said it landed somewhere just

454
00:20:31,549 --> 00:20:29,700
beyond the brush

455
00:20:34,490 --> 00:20:31,559
and the kids were all

456
00:20:37,130 --> 00:20:34,500
standing by the logs you know excited

457
00:20:38,470 --> 00:20:37,140
seamless object and seen

458
00:20:41,810 --> 00:20:38,480
two

459
00:20:44,690 --> 00:20:41,820
creatures beans appear from there

460
00:20:47,810 --> 00:20:44,700
some of the kids describe them

461
00:20:52,010 --> 00:20:47,820
large heads with tights for thin black

462
00:20:55,010 --> 00:20:52,020
suits large oval eyes

463
00:20:59,270 --> 00:20:55,020
and um and some of them even described

464
00:21:02,090 --> 00:20:59,280
the long hair so I did a a mock drawing

465
00:21:04,909 --> 00:21:02,100
at the time of of that and this is kind

466
00:21:07,850 --> 00:21:04,919
of what I had oh yeah wow how about that

467
00:21:10,730 --> 00:21:07,860
we did that at the time

468
00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:10,740
yeah at the time in fact uh John I gave

469
00:21:16,850 --> 00:21:12,480
this to John Mack

470
00:21:19,250 --> 00:21:16,860
yeah because he he put his notes Here

471
00:21:22,190 --> 00:21:19,260
um because he came in November and he

472
00:21:24,590 --> 00:21:22,200
puts November you know from good to hofa

473
00:21:26,210 --> 00:21:24,600
you know description yeah were you

474
00:21:31,390 --> 00:21:26,220
actually there when John Mack was there

475
00:21:36,169 --> 00:21:33,110
those kids

476
00:21:39,110 --> 00:21:36,179
yeah I remember when he came he had

477
00:21:40,730 --> 00:21:39,120
interviewed a couple of kids one of them

478
00:21:42,890 --> 00:21:40,740
was Liesel

479
00:21:45,289 --> 00:21:42,900
um as you may know yeah a little girl

480
00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:45,299
who talked about the

481
00:21:50,390 --> 00:21:48,240
effect on the environment Etc right when

482
00:21:51,890 --> 00:21:50,400
she was looking at the eyes of the

483
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creatures because

484
00:21:58,310 --> 00:21:55,919
somehow Mack was able to

485
00:22:01,610 --> 00:21:58,320
get them to convey their feelings you

486
00:22:02,990 --> 00:22:01,620
know right and I think in Anonymous

487
00:22:05,149 --> 00:22:03,000
listening to their feelings everyone was

488
00:22:07,789 --> 00:22:05,159
just interested in what did you see what

489
00:22:09,950 --> 00:22:07,799
did it look like the nuts and bolt kind

490
00:22:12,289 --> 00:22:09,960
of stuff you know right but not going

491
00:22:14,690 --> 00:22:12,299
into the emotions and the experience

492
00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:14,700
internal experiences the children were

493
00:22:18,770 --> 00:22:15,840
having

494
00:22:19,850 --> 00:22:18,780
at the time you know and what it made

495
00:22:21,409 --> 00:22:19,860
them feel

496
00:22:26,510 --> 00:22:21,419
so

497
00:22:29,630 --> 00:22:26,520
scoot right down to their level and oh

498
00:22:31,970 --> 00:22:29,640
yeah you feel comfortable and yeah he

499
00:22:34,970 --> 00:22:31,980
was really really good at that yeah he

500
00:22:36,830 --> 00:22:34,980
was very gentle yeah he didn't he didn't

501
00:22:39,409 --> 00:22:36,840
lead them he just kind of asked them

502
00:22:41,570 --> 00:22:39,419
what did you feel what yeah when they

503
00:22:44,210 --> 00:22:41,580
described the creature with the eyes

504
00:22:46,250 --> 00:22:44,220
looking at them why did it were you

505
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:46,260
scared

506
00:22:50,270 --> 00:22:48,240
um you know kind of like someone

507
00:22:52,850 --> 00:22:50,280
subconsciously

508
00:22:54,890 --> 00:22:52,860
bringing out the information that they

509
00:22:56,870 --> 00:22:54,900
kind of felt it was very interesting why

510
00:22:59,470 --> 00:22:56,880
did they come out with this feeling of

511
00:23:02,330 --> 00:22:59,480
the environment issues of environment

512
00:23:05,570 --> 00:23:02,340
issues of Technology

513
00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:05,580
you know being harmful to people Etc you

514
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:06,240
know

515
00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:11,760
pointed out to me that

516
00:23:15,169 --> 00:23:13,919
um after watching Randall Nicholson's

517
00:23:18,529 --> 00:23:15,179
movie

518
00:23:20,690 --> 00:23:18,539
um that you were involved in as well uh

519
00:23:21,649 --> 00:23:20,700
they were said that you know there was

520
00:23:24,649 --> 00:23:21,659
never

521
00:23:26,990 --> 00:23:24,659
a message of how to fix anything only

522
00:23:29,330 --> 00:23:27,000
that you know kind of like this is

523
00:23:31,730 --> 00:23:29,340
happening or this is to come type of

524
00:23:34,669 --> 00:23:31,740
thing and not not offering anything

525
00:23:37,010 --> 00:23:34,679
other than this is here you know this is

526
00:23:39,409 --> 00:23:37,020
this is this could happen or is going to

527
00:23:41,230 --> 00:23:39,419
happen one way or the other or something

528
00:23:44,210 --> 00:23:41,240
that's right

529
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:44,220
you know it's hard to

530
00:23:49,730 --> 00:23:48,240
I mean even people always say uh we are

531
00:23:51,289 --> 00:23:49,740
the youth we are the aliens you know

532
00:23:54,110 --> 00:23:51,299
they haven't landed on the white hole

533
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:54,120
House lawn you know they don't hobble

534
00:23:58,669 --> 00:23:56,880
the cities and announce themselves Etc

535
00:24:01,490 --> 00:23:58,679
you know

536
00:24:03,649 --> 00:24:01,500
um because obviously with this whole

537
00:24:05,390 --> 00:24:03,659
disclosure program people are looking

538
00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:05,400
for answers from

539
00:24:11,870 --> 00:24:08,640
government you know do you have craft

540
00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:11,880
hidden or you have video footage and all

541
00:24:17,270 --> 00:24:15,120
that kind of thing but in the end you

542
00:24:19,310 --> 00:24:17,280
know it doesn't matter how good the

543
00:24:22,490 --> 00:24:19,320
video is people will debunk them these

544
00:24:24,250 --> 00:24:22,500
days saying say uh CGI or it was

545
00:24:26,810 --> 00:24:24,260
manipulated or it was some government

546
00:24:29,570 --> 00:24:26,820
secret program

547
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:29,580
and the only time people will believe it

548
00:24:34,490 --> 00:24:32,640
is you have the physical evidence here

549
00:24:37,850 --> 00:24:34,500
literally in front of them you know

550
00:24:40,490 --> 00:24:37,860
right here's a here's an interesting

551
00:24:43,669 --> 00:24:40,500
question and I and I agree with any type

552
00:24:45,490 --> 00:24:43,679
of question of asking this do you happen

553
00:24:49,250 --> 00:24:45,500
to know if any of the Charles children's

554
00:24:51,770 --> 00:24:49,260
reported any type of you know odor uh

555
00:24:54,529 --> 00:24:51,780
when they're being Superior

556
00:24:58,190 --> 00:24:54,539
not as far as I'm aware of the only

557
00:25:03,049 --> 00:24:58,200
thing I've heard of is people hearing a

558
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:03,059
slight like uh whistling sound yes that

559
00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:05,520
they heard like a flute yeah like a

560
00:25:14,289 --> 00:25:09,840
flute sound yes that's right yeah yeah

561
00:25:17,450 --> 00:25:14,299
and because I the the

562
00:25:21,230 --> 00:25:17,460
Francis I don't know if he mentioned to

563
00:25:23,769 --> 00:25:21,240
you that when that he described also how

564
00:25:27,230 --> 00:25:23,779
the aliens moved was also

565
00:25:29,930 --> 00:25:27,240
blinked in and out yeah they almost like

566
00:25:32,029 --> 00:25:29,940
the crops how the craft came the aliens

567
00:25:34,130 --> 00:25:32,039
were moving not like how we moved they

568
00:25:36,769 --> 00:25:34,140
just kind of like appeared disappeared

569
00:25:39,049 --> 00:25:36,779
and then appeared over here you know

570
00:25:41,390 --> 00:25:39,059
it's almost like

571
00:25:42,649 --> 00:25:41,400
the emotion is different to how we move

572
00:25:45,409 --> 00:25:42,659
you know

573
00:25:49,909 --> 00:25:45,419
or the technology they're using to move

574
00:25:51,830 --> 00:25:49,919
is different yeah or or uh yeah I mean

575
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:51,840
we may not be able to understand how

576
00:25:57,049 --> 00:25:55,200
they do anything and another thing is uh

577
00:25:58,730 --> 00:25:57,059
you know when when you talk about the

578
00:26:00,590 --> 00:25:58,740
blinking in and out I can't help but

579
00:26:03,409 --> 00:26:00,600
think of could this be an

580
00:26:05,169 --> 00:26:03,419
interdimensional type of situation you

581
00:26:07,730 --> 00:26:05,179
know I mean

582
00:26:10,010 --> 00:26:07,740
nothing's taken off the table when it

583
00:26:13,010 --> 00:26:10,020
comes to uh something I always I always

584
00:26:13,870 --> 00:26:13,020
hold my hands up and and I say I don't

585
00:26:21,890 --> 00:26:13,880
know

586
00:26:23,510 --> 00:26:21,900
it how it's done you can only imagine

587
00:26:25,549 --> 00:26:23,520
um

588
00:26:27,950 --> 00:26:25,559
you know someone from the Stone Age

589
00:26:31,070 --> 00:26:27,960
looking at us today driving in the car

590
00:26:34,610 --> 00:26:31,080
and that person trying to describe it to

591
00:26:36,710 --> 00:26:34,620
his people yeah language they would have

592
00:26:39,470 --> 00:26:36,720
in the Stone Age they wouldn't believe

593
00:26:41,990 --> 00:26:39,480
him you know it would be too fanciful

594
00:26:44,269 --> 00:26:42,000
you know or flying in a plane or jet or

595
00:26:46,370 --> 00:26:44,279
yeah yeah those were the gods flying up

596
00:26:48,590 --> 00:26:46,380
there you know so yeah thunder and

597
00:26:51,169 --> 00:26:48,600
lightning you know it was a jet flying

598
00:26:52,490 --> 00:26:51,179
past you know that kind of thing that's

599
00:26:54,409 --> 00:26:52,500
right

600
00:26:58,010 --> 00:26:54,419
so they'll use the language of the time

601
00:27:01,310 --> 00:26:58,020
and we are doing the same we can only

602
00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:01,320
describe it with the knowledge

603
00:27:06,110 --> 00:27:03,360
the physics and the science we

604
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:06,120
understand currently you know obviously

605
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:08,400
if there's new physics and new

606
00:27:11,570 --> 00:27:09,600
technologies

607
00:27:13,789 --> 00:27:11,580
that we don't know what's going to be in

608
00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:13,799
the next 100

609
00:27:17,930 --> 00:27:15,600
000 billion years you know if their

610
00:27:19,370 --> 00:27:17,940
civilization of billion years ahead of

611
00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:19,380
us

612
00:27:25,130 --> 00:27:21,840
their technology would be purely magic

613
00:27:28,490 --> 00:27:25,140
to us purely magic right and also the

614
00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:28,500
way of thinking we always try to you

615
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:31,679
know use our terms of thought but we

616
00:27:37,730 --> 00:27:34,080
have absolutely no idea what type of

617
00:27:40,190 --> 00:27:37,740
thought you know whether uh we we'd only

618
00:27:41,390 --> 00:27:40,200
be guessing you know I mean and that

619
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:41,400
would be

620
00:27:46,970 --> 00:27:44,159
like right now if you if we went and

621
00:27:48,830 --> 00:27:46,980
visited a life on another planet you

622
00:27:51,230 --> 00:27:48,840
know in another galaxy or a part of our

623
00:27:53,330 --> 00:27:51,240
galaxy but you know thousands of light

624
00:27:55,070 --> 00:27:53,340
years away or whatever and we landed on

625
00:27:56,810 --> 00:27:55,080
their planet we would have no idea how

626
00:27:58,430 --> 00:27:56,820
they think unless we you know we could

627
00:27:59,690 --> 00:27:58,440
observe them and try to figure it out

628
00:28:00,789 --> 00:27:59,700
but

629
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:00,799
um you know I mean

630
00:28:07,250 --> 00:28:05,760
uh I I hope I hope this we're not you

631
00:28:10,010 --> 00:28:07,260
know all the living beings out there

632
00:28:13,610 --> 00:28:10,020
aren't warring and tribal yeah you know

633
00:28:16,010 --> 00:28:13,620
we pray I mean maybe um

634
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:16,020
they so far ahead of us that they just

635
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:18,480
look at us like ants you know like yeah

636
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:21,120
we we just walk about we don't see the

637
00:28:25,970 --> 00:28:23,760
answer the threats whatsoever yeah until

638
00:28:28,130 --> 00:28:25,980
until there's so many of them and then

639
00:28:30,649 --> 00:28:28,140
we kind of stamp our legs and crush a

640
00:28:32,450 --> 00:28:30,659
few of them you know they get in the way

641
00:28:34,730 --> 00:28:32,460
you know and then there's a problem in

642
00:28:36,649 --> 00:28:34,740
you the ants or get any shape that you

643
00:28:40,330 --> 00:28:36,659
know that God's got angry and crushed us

644
00:28:46,190 --> 00:28:43,730
yeah I don't hope we don't uh agitate

645
00:28:47,570 --> 00:28:46,200
them maybe we are who knows

646
00:28:51,190 --> 00:28:47,580
um

647
00:28:53,870 --> 00:28:51,200
yeah yeah when it comes to nuclear

648
00:28:55,250 --> 00:28:53,880
warheads and things like that

649
00:28:56,990 --> 00:28:55,260
um

650
00:29:00,830 --> 00:28:57,000
yeah it seemed interesting they're going

651
00:29:04,010 --> 00:29:00,840
uh when I hear about the reports of um

652
00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:04,020
these UFO encounters near silos nuclear

653
00:29:06,830 --> 00:29:05,279
facilities

654
00:29:09,350 --> 00:29:06,840
Etc

655
00:29:11,690 --> 00:29:09,360
um like they deliberately keeping an eye

656
00:29:14,210 --> 00:29:11,700
on them like are these objects you know

657
00:29:16,730 --> 00:29:14,220
are these weapons safe they're not you

658
00:29:18,049 --> 00:29:16,740
know rusting and about to explode or

659
00:29:19,970 --> 00:29:18,059
something like they just deliberately

660
00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:19,980
take in

661
00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:24,240
um stock of what's going on because they

662
00:29:29,690 --> 00:29:27,360
can't have the experiment contaminated

663
00:29:32,330 --> 00:29:29,700
you know that kind of thing now when you

664
00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:32,340
were doing the research with uh Cynthia

665
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:33,600
Hines

666
00:29:38,930 --> 00:29:35,520
um I'm gonna pop this question up from

667
00:29:41,090 --> 00:29:38,940
uh someone in chat Jim wants to know to

668
00:29:42,889 --> 00:29:41,100
do you know anything about the other

669
00:29:44,930 --> 00:29:42,899
Witnesses who saw the beings off the

670
00:29:47,870 --> 00:29:44,940
school grounds did she do any of that

671
00:29:52,190 --> 00:29:47,880
type of research as well

672
00:29:54,830 --> 00:29:52,200
well she she had conversations with some

673
00:29:56,149 --> 00:29:54,840
people who described

674
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:56,159
scene

675
00:30:01,909 --> 00:29:58,559
I think in the evening

676
00:30:04,130 --> 00:30:01,919
of the on that Friday if I'm right

677
00:30:06,889 --> 00:30:04,140
someone was driving

678
00:30:09,289 --> 00:30:06,899
um on the road near Rua there by the

679
00:30:13,130 --> 00:30:09,299
school and they crashed because they saw

680
00:30:15,769 --> 00:30:13,140
what they described like um

681
00:30:16,430 --> 00:30:15,779
dead people walking towards him on the

682
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:16,440
road

683
00:30:20,690 --> 00:30:18,720
which is you know the big head and the

684
00:30:22,669 --> 00:30:20,700
eyes you know so they just got like a

685
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:22,679
look like a skull you know because of

686
00:30:26,029 --> 00:30:24,480
the big head and the eyes

687
00:30:31,610 --> 00:30:26,039
so

688
00:30:36,769 --> 00:30:31,620
how long

689
00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:36,779
and then they they um they went back

690
00:30:42,830 --> 00:30:41,039
so that was one of the reports I believe

691
00:30:46,850 --> 00:30:42,840
maybe one of the teachers said they saw

692
00:30:48,350 --> 00:30:46,860
a light you know as well over some of

693
00:30:50,930 --> 00:30:48,360
the areas because we never had any

694
00:30:52,610 --> 00:30:50,940
adults seen the craft at the school

695
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:52,620
because

696
00:30:58,370 --> 00:30:55,440
at the time the staff were all in a

697
00:31:01,850 --> 00:30:58,380
meeting while the kids are playing

698
00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:01,860
and the only adult on the ground was the

699
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:05,279
lady who was Manning the Tuck Shop which

700
00:31:09,409 --> 00:31:06,960
is a little shop where kids buy some

701
00:31:10,669 --> 00:31:09,419
sweets and biscuits and drinks and

702
00:31:13,370 --> 00:31:10,679
things like that

703
00:31:15,710 --> 00:31:13,380
and some of the older kids ran over to

704
00:31:17,389 --> 00:31:15,720
say miss miss you know this you know

705
00:31:19,010 --> 00:31:17,399
there's something going on down here you

706
00:31:21,470 --> 00:31:19,020
have to come and see and she just

707
00:31:23,810 --> 00:31:21,480
ignored them and said oh no you guys are

708
00:31:24,769 --> 00:31:23,820
just pulling my leg you know that kind

709
00:31:27,710 --> 00:31:24,779
of thing

710
00:31:29,450 --> 00:31:27,720
well supposedly one of the teachers came

711
00:31:32,029 --> 00:31:29,460
forward

712
00:31:33,230 --> 00:31:32,039
um a few years ago and said that she

713
00:31:35,870 --> 00:31:33,240
actually did

714
00:31:38,029 --> 00:31:35,880
did see it did you ever hear about this

715
00:31:40,970 --> 00:31:38,039
was this was a few years ago

716
00:31:43,730 --> 00:31:40,980
no I didn't well maybe because now I'm

717
00:31:47,450 --> 00:31:43,740
here I don't get the opportunity to to

718
00:31:49,549 --> 00:31:47,460
speak to them in England yeah that's

719
00:31:51,710 --> 00:31:49,559
true so I'm a kind of like a bit out of

720
00:31:53,930 --> 00:31:51,720
touch with the event

721
00:31:56,930 --> 00:31:53,940
since I left Zimbabwe in that respect

722
00:31:58,490 --> 00:31:56,940
you know yeah yeah

723
00:31:59,450 --> 00:31:58,500
um how long have you been away from

724
00:32:03,230 --> 00:31:59,460
there

725
00:32:05,330 --> 00:32:03,240
I've left Zimbabwe in 2001 that's when I

726
00:32:09,289 --> 00:32:05,340
left Zimbabwe so I've been here a while

727
00:32:11,450 --> 00:32:09,299
now 22 years now yeah and how many times

728
00:32:12,830 --> 00:32:11,460
did you go to this school after the

729
00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:12,840
incident

730
00:32:17,389 --> 00:32:15,600
I went there at least twice

731
00:32:19,630 --> 00:32:17,399
I went

732
00:32:22,669 --> 00:32:19,640
after the initial

733
00:32:25,250 --> 00:32:22,679
investigation with Cynthia and BBC were

734
00:32:27,889 --> 00:32:25,260
they I went out

735
00:32:31,370 --> 00:32:27,899
with a work colleague

736
00:32:32,690 --> 00:32:31,380
to do just a few I think it was maybe a

737
00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:32,700
few days after

738
00:32:37,130 --> 00:32:34,559
because I just there was just so much

739
00:32:39,049 --> 00:32:37,140
activity with distractions I never had

740
00:32:41,570 --> 00:32:39,059
the time to really scan the ground

741
00:32:43,850 --> 00:32:41,580
without the you know people

742
00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:43,860
calling me and doing this and we had

743
00:32:47,630 --> 00:32:46,080
such limited time off you know after

744
00:32:48,769 --> 00:32:47,640
interviewing the kids and seeing a

745
00:32:50,289 --> 00:32:48,779
little bit of

746
00:32:53,510 --> 00:32:50,299
the grounds

747
00:32:55,909 --> 00:32:53,520
that were allowed I managed to go there

748
00:32:58,730 --> 00:32:55,919
on a weekend on a Saturday

749
00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:58,740
statistics look over the places where

750
00:33:03,289 --> 00:33:00,720
the kids said they saw the other craft

751
00:33:05,810 --> 00:33:03,299
land because where the main craft landed

752
00:33:07,789 --> 00:33:05,820
between the near the trees the ground

753
00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:07,799
was very hard so I couldn't see any

754
00:33:12,649 --> 00:33:10,080
Impressions there but then the other

755
00:33:16,490 --> 00:33:12,659
kids that they saw something land

756
00:33:19,970 --> 00:33:16,500
more to the left in the grass so I went

757
00:33:21,529 --> 00:33:19,980
down that way and I did find too overall

758
00:33:25,450 --> 00:33:21,539
impressions

759
00:33:29,330 --> 00:33:25,460
one large one and one smaller one wow

760
00:33:33,230 --> 00:33:29,340
which I I made a crude meth at the time

761
00:33:35,690 --> 00:33:33,240
to help me so here's the school up here

762
00:33:38,870 --> 00:33:35,700
and then down hang on just a minute let

763
00:33:40,490 --> 00:33:38,880
me uh do this there you go so this is

764
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:40,500
the school up here where the kids were

765
00:33:45,049 --> 00:33:41,760
observing

766
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:45,059
the main craft over here in red we are

767
00:33:49,730 --> 00:33:46,559
marked in red here

768
00:33:51,230 --> 00:33:49,740
and then I went to walk down to find out

769
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:51,240
where the other kids said they saw some

770
00:33:56,690 --> 00:33:53,760
other craft and I found these oval

771
00:33:58,850 --> 00:33:56,700
two oval Impressions one low large oval

772
00:34:01,909 --> 00:33:58,860
which crossed the path

773
00:34:02,990 --> 00:34:01,919
and a smaller one next to it and the

774
00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:03,000
grass

775
00:34:13,250 --> 00:34:11,570
you know

776
00:34:16,730 --> 00:34:13,260
like there was some type of rotation

777
00:34:18,290 --> 00:34:16,740
possibly yeah some it seemed like there

778
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:18,300
could have been some kind of rotation or

779
00:34:23,869 --> 00:34:20,399
whatever caused it to rotate in that

780
00:34:26,690 --> 00:34:23,879
manner you know yeah and I did find

781
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:26,700
some Impressions there in the ground I

782
00:34:32,089 --> 00:34:29,760
found a witch a wedge shape

783
00:34:36,770 --> 00:34:32,099
triangular shaped impression in the

784
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:39,589
15 centimeters long roughly

785
00:34:44,089 --> 00:34:41,280
I would say so it could have been

786
00:34:46,750 --> 00:34:44,099
landing gear possibly possibly

787
00:34:50,629 --> 00:34:46,760
yeah possibly

788
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:50,639
and uh here's the uh oh yes did you take

789
00:34:57,290 --> 00:34:53,280
any readings from those impressions

790
00:35:00,290 --> 00:34:57,300
I did take some readings I had a a

791
00:35:02,329 --> 00:35:00,300
homemade geiger counter because at the

792
00:35:05,329 --> 00:35:02,339
time in Zimbabwe getting access to guy

793
00:35:08,510 --> 00:35:05,339
accounts as was really difficult

794
00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:08,520
I went to the university to find out if

795
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:10,320
they had a guide to counter which they

796
00:35:15,050 --> 00:35:12,720
did but it was non-functional it wasn't

797
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:15,060
working so

798
00:35:20,270 --> 00:35:18,240
um I had built a

799
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:20,280
my own Geiger counters

800
00:35:28,130 --> 00:35:23,280
you know from I think there was a Radio

801
00:35:30,230 --> 00:35:28,140
Shack diagram in a magazine of homemade

802
00:35:31,810 --> 00:35:30,240
geiger counter you could build which I

803
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:31,820
did build

804
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:36,000
and I took it to the school but I don't

805
00:35:39,950 --> 00:35:37,920
think my Gaga account was sensitive

806
00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:39,960
enough if there was something

807
00:35:44,990 --> 00:35:41,760
slightly above

808
00:35:47,230 --> 00:35:45,000
average reading in the environment so I

809
00:35:50,450 --> 00:35:47,240
didn't actually read anything

810
00:35:52,430 --> 00:35:50,460
abnormal I also brought along a metal

811
00:35:59,390 --> 00:35:52,440
detector

812
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:03,109
um well we did take I did take soil

813
00:36:10,370 --> 00:36:07,440
samples from the ovals that I discovered

814
00:36:13,550 --> 00:36:10,380
but and gave them to Cynthia to have

815
00:36:15,950 --> 00:36:13,560
them analyzed uh there wasn't anything

816
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:15,960
unusual about the soil samples from what

817
00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:18,240
I gathered

818
00:36:24,410 --> 00:36:21,359
so how far away

819
00:36:26,210 --> 00:36:24,420
um would you say the ovals were from

820
00:36:28,609 --> 00:36:26,220
where the kids actually had their

821
00:36:30,589 --> 00:36:28,619
encounter with the beans I know Selma

822
00:36:33,050 --> 00:36:30,599
citic for one was only four feet or so

823
00:36:35,390 --> 00:36:33,060
away from one of the beams yes I

824
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:35,400
remember describing it literally in

825
00:36:38,750 --> 00:36:37,200
front of a

826
00:36:42,530 --> 00:36:38,760
um

827
00:36:45,410 --> 00:36:42,540
the the craft that I or the landing

828
00:36:47,870 --> 00:36:45,420
marks I just discovered later when I had

829
00:36:49,069 --> 00:36:47,880
the time to you know explain explore the

830
00:36:51,470 --> 00:36:49,079
field area

831
00:36:53,150 --> 00:36:51,480
were probably

832
00:36:56,270 --> 00:36:53,160
200 meters

833
00:36:58,790 --> 00:36:56,280
further away to the to the left

834
00:37:00,370 --> 00:36:58,800
from the main experience which was more

835
00:37:03,410 --> 00:37:00,380
to the right

836
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:03,420
now uh just this just occurred to me are

837
00:37:05,810 --> 00:37:05,040
you going to be involved in any of the

838
00:37:08,510 --> 00:37:05,820
uh

839
00:37:10,730 --> 00:37:08,520
the screenings that are happening in

840
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:10,740
this one in DC coming up and one in New

841
00:37:14,270 --> 00:37:12,960
York of the aerial School phenomenon

842
00:37:15,109 --> 00:37:14,280
film are you going to be involved in any

843
00:37:19,010 --> 00:37:15,119
of those

844
00:37:21,170 --> 00:37:19,020
yes I'll be going to uh the one in DC

845
00:37:24,349 --> 00:37:21,180
and what's the date on that

846
00:37:27,770 --> 00:37:24,359
I believe it's the if I'm right the

847
00:37:29,690 --> 00:37:27,780
third of May May yeah yeah that's what I

848
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:29,700
I remembered something like that yeah so

849
00:37:33,950 --> 00:37:31,920
yeah yeah that that should be

850
00:37:36,410 --> 00:37:33,960
interesting there's a few of those going

851
00:37:38,510 --> 00:37:36,420
on yeah yeah that's the third of May

852
00:37:40,609 --> 00:37:38,520
that's correct and I should say before

853
00:37:42,770 --> 00:37:40,619
we move on from that

854
00:37:44,569 --> 00:37:42,780
um did you think the movie was as

855
00:37:46,010 --> 00:37:44,579
beautiful as I thought it was

856
00:37:48,770 --> 00:37:46,020
yeah

857
00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:48,780
it was it was very emotional you know

858
00:37:54,109 --> 00:37:50,640
because yeah it just brought back a lot

859
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:54,119
of memories I bet of of what happened

860
00:37:57,109 --> 00:37:55,200
and

861
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:57,119
the people involved you know sadly

862
00:38:01,010 --> 00:37:59,040
Cynthia and Timber not around anymore

863
00:38:03,829 --> 00:38:01,020
you know

864
00:38:06,170 --> 00:38:03,839
um yeah I know yeah I heard that yeah

865
00:38:08,510 --> 00:38:06,180
yeah yeah

866
00:38:10,849 --> 00:38:08,520
yeah I mean I mean I can tell you some

867
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:10,859
interesting things that Tim

868
00:38:16,329 --> 00:38:14,640
while Tim was involved in it initially

869
00:38:19,370 --> 00:38:16,339
um

870
00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:19,380
he he was obviously doing the you know

871
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:21,839
filming it to send back to the BBC in

872
00:38:26,089 --> 00:38:24,000
London at the time yeah and in those

873
00:38:27,170 --> 00:38:26,099
days everything was kind of

874
00:38:30,410 --> 00:38:27,180
type

875
00:38:32,210 --> 00:38:30,420
couriered to the UK you know yeah and

876
00:38:34,250 --> 00:38:32,220
usually when I think it went via

877
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:34,260
Johannesburg

878
00:38:39,050 --> 00:38:37,200
and I phoned him up once to find out

879
00:38:45,410 --> 00:38:39,060
about

880
00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:45,420
and she said oh yes it's the type and he

881
00:38:50,450 --> 00:38:47,760
talked about

882
00:38:51,589 --> 00:38:50,460
he had some encounters

883
00:38:55,010 --> 00:38:51,599
wow

884
00:39:01,849 --> 00:38:57,790
agencies with three letters shall I say

885
00:39:04,550 --> 00:39:01,859
that interfering with the tape

886
00:39:10,510 --> 00:39:07,010
did did the tape make it

887
00:39:13,130 --> 00:39:10,520
yes I did make it to the BBC but he see

888
00:39:15,290 --> 00:39:13,140
because I'll tell you what

889
00:39:17,690 --> 00:39:15,300
Tim and I and

890
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:17,700
the two kids that were showing us this

891
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:18,960
is um

892
00:39:24,650 --> 00:39:23,280
guy and farai here they were taking us

893
00:39:27,650 --> 00:39:24,660
around

894
00:39:29,470 --> 00:39:27,660
and while we were talking to them and

895
00:39:32,710 --> 00:39:29,480
they were pointing out we saw

896
00:39:35,690 --> 00:39:32,720
interestingly a very bright light

897
00:39:38,930 --> 00:39:35,700
a heel at the back

898
00:39:40,609 --> 00:39:38,940
and it was it initially we just thought

899
00:39:42,730 --> 00:39:40,619
maybe it's just

900
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:42,740
a reflection of

901
00:39:49,010 --> 00:39:46,320
the zinc roofing you know the metal

902
00:39:51,109 --> 00:39:49,020
roofing at some of the little

903
00:39:53,770 --> 00:39:51,119
houses that some of the people local

904
00:39:57,710 --> 00:39:53,780
people build their homes with you know

905
00:40:00,410 --> 00:39:57,720
in Zimbabwe and it was just we thought

906
00:40:02,690 --> 00:40:00,420
it was this reflection of the sunlight

907
00:40:05,390 --> 00:40:02,700
and

908
00:40:07,730 --> 00:40:05,400
when I went back

909
00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:07,740
to look at the grounds more carefully

910
00:40:11,630 --> 00:40:10,079
there was actually nothing there you

911
00:40:13,790 --> 00:40:11,640
know there was absolutely nothing there

912
00:40:15,650 --> 00:40:13,800
to indicate that there was something

913
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:15,660
that would cause that light to be

914
00:40:20,750 --> 00:40:18,480
shining us that day we were there ah so

915
00:40:22,970 --> 00:40:20,760
Cynthia and I used to make a joke that

916
00:40:25,790 --> 00:40:22,980
oh you know they were watching us or

917
00:40:27,770 --> 00:40:25,800
something like that yeah but anyway I I

918
00:40:31,310 --> 00:40:27,780
asked him about it did he catch it on

919
00:40:32,450 --> 00:40:31,320
tape and he said to me he got it on tape

920
00:40:34,730 --> 00:40:32,460
but

921
00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:34,740
that part of the tape disappeared you

922
00:40:38,750 --> 00:40:38,160
know showing that that light so

923
00:40:43,069 --> 00:40:38,760
um

924
00:40:44,930 --> 00:40:43,079
so yeah so I asked I was asking a favor

925
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:44,940
from a journalist locally if he could

926
00:40:49,370 --> 00:40:48,000
track the original type that was sent to

927
00:40:51,829 --> 00:40:49,380
the BBC

928
00:40:54,490 --> 00:40:51,839
hoping that maybe we could

929
00:40:56,810 --> 00:40:54,500
find something out you know

930
00:41:00,109 --> 00:40:56,820
but yeah there are some interesting

931
00:41:02,870 --> 00:41:00,119
things happening with Tim and he got

932
00:41:05,630 --> 00:41:02,880
very intrigued about the whole incident

933
00:41:07,670 --> 00:41:05,640
you know he's just he was a bit like he

934
00:41:10,010 --> 00:41:07,680
just said to me just be careful

935
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:10,020
didn't he basically say that it was a

936
00:41:20,630 --> 00:41:17,870
I not he didn't say that to me maybe

937
00:41:24,109 --> 00:41:20,640
you're saying it to other people but uh

938
00:41:26,329 --> 00:41:24,119
I know generally at the time

939
00:41:28,069 --> 00:41:26,339
you know just with Cynthia and her

940
00:41:30,410 --> 00:41:28,079
investigations a lot of people would

941
00:41:32,569 --> 00:41:30,420
only come to her privately like let's

942
00:41:34,069 --> 00:41:32,579
say Pilots they would always be

943
00:41:38,270 --> 00:41:34,079
anonymous they would never want to be

944
00:41:40,670 --> 00:41:38,280
named in her reports you know mm-hmm

945
00:41:43,250 --> 00:41:40,680
because of the stigma

946
00:41:44,690 --> 00:41:43,260
now I know there was uh you know there

947
00:41:46,430 --> 00:41:44,700
was

948
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:46,440
um I don't know if you want to call it

949
00:41:48,890 --> 00:41:48,000
the bunkers or but they were talking

950
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:48,900
about

951
00:41:52,310 --> 00:41:50,160
um you know something that entered the

952
00:41:54,170 --> 00:41:52,320
atmosphere and you know it had to be

953
00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:54,180
this had to be that but there was a lot

954
00:42:03,410 --> 00:41:58,560
of things going on within several days

955
00:42:04,130 --> 00:42:03,420
that's right well if I can just rehash

956
00:42:06,589 --> 00:42:04,140
um

957
00:42:09,170 --> 00:42:06,599
on some of the events like on Wednesday

958
00:42:10,670 --> 00:42:09,180
the 14th of September

959
00:42:13,550 --> 00:42:10,680
there was

960
00:42:16,130 --> 00:42:13,560
what he described as a pirate Technic

961
00:42:18,670 --> 00:42:16,140
display in the sky of Zimbabwe it was

962
00:42:22,670 --> 00:42:18,680
actually going over

963
00:42:24,109 --> 00:42:22,680
Zambia Zimbabwe maybe all the way down

964
00:42:27,050 --> 00:42:24,119
to

965
00:42:30,290 --> 00:42:27,060
Botswana it was going all the way from

966
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:30,300
the north to the South and the light

967
00:42:40,069 --> 00:42:36,770
like a very large object in front and

968
00:42:43,130 --> 00:42:40,079
lots of smaller objects behind it and

969
00:42:46,550 --> 00:42:43,140
there's a long flame you know flame-like

970
00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:46,560
trail behind the sparkling trail behind

971
00:42:52,370 --> 00:42:47,520
us

972
00:42:54,530 --> 00:42:52,380
well people assumed it was maybe uh

973
00:42:57,010 --> 00:42:54,540
there were reports of oh it's a plane

974
00:43:01,130 --> 00:42:57,020
falling down you know on fire

975
00:43:05,210 --> 00:43:03,470
a meteorite shower you know meteorite

976
00:43:08,930 --> 00:43:05,220
shower of some sort you know maybe a

977
00:43:11,270 --> 00:43:08,940
piece of nature came in broke up and the

978
00:43:14,270 --> 00:43:11,280
main body and pieces of the meteor were

979
00:43:17,089 --> 00:43:14,280
flying and then we had um

980
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:17,099
Cynthia believed it might have been a

981
00:43:22,430 --> 00:43:20,160
Soviet rocket launch and the nose cone

982
00:43:24,849 --> 00:43:22,440
had been ejected and came through the

983
00:43:28,370 --> 00:43:24,859
atmosphere a few days later apparently

984
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:28,380
causing causing this event but

985
00:43:33,290 --> 00:43:30,960
that's all I know about that

986
00:43:36,890 --> 00:43:33,300
and then of course

987
00:43:41,230 --> 00:43:36,900
after that it was widely reported in the

988
00:43:44,750 --> 00:43:41,240
newspaper and the TV at the time

989
00:43:47,530 --> 00:43:44,760
and uh then I said like I mentioned on

990
00:43:50,809 --> 00:43:47,540
the Thursday the kids then saw the

991
00:43:53,390 --> 00:43:50,819
cigar-shaped object line

992
00:43:55,790 --> 00:43:53,400
by the school you know with a blinking

993
00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:55,800
red light of some sort

994
00:44:01,069 --> 00:43:58,800
and then Friday was the main event where

995
00:44:03,410 --> 00:44:01,079
when all the kids were out they saw the

996
00:44:05,390 --> 00:44:03,420
object coming down to land

997
00:44:07,730 --> 00:44:05,400
yeah

998
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:07,740
um here's a question that I don't know

999
00:44:14,089 --> 00:44:10,079
the answer to did anyone actually see

1000
00:44:16,190 --> 00:44:14,099
the craft or crafts plural land leave

1001
00:44:18,290 --> 00:44:16,200
I remember

1002
00:44:20,450 --> 00:44:18,300
Tom leech was interviewing some of the

1003
00:44:22,849 --> 00:44:20,460
kids and

1004
00:44:25,609 --> 00:44:22,859
he asked them where did it go how did it

1005
00:44:28,250 --> 00:44:25,619
go you know and the kids said it just

1006
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:28,260
lifted off excuse me lifted off the

1007
00:44:33,770 --> 00:44:31,200
ground a little bit and just went

1008
00:44:36,050 --> 00:44:33,780
and he said went where you know did it

1009
00:44:38,450 --> 00:44:36,060
just go over there or whatever

1010
00:44:41,569 --> 00:44:38,460
and they were kind of like find it

1011
00:44:44,329 --> 00:44:41,579
difficult to describe how it went

1012
00:44:48,170 --> 00:44:44,339
and

1013
00:44:50,290 --> 00:44:48,180
even Tim I didn't think caught on to the

1014
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:50,300
subtleties of that when I watched that

1015
00:44:55,730 --> 00:44:53,280
and it's almost like they were saying it

1016
00:44:57,710 --> 00:44:55,740
just disappeared just you know they just

1017
00:45:00,589 --> 00:44:57,720
said it just went and I didn't they

1018
00:45:03,290 --> 00:45:00,599
didn't say it flew off over there or

1019
00:45:05,870 --> 00:45:03,300
over that way it just went in other

1020
00:45:09,710 --> 00:45:05,880
words it disappeared just lift it up and

1021
00:45:12,530 --> 00:45:09,720
disappeared isn't that that's crazy

1022
00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:12,540
um let's see this is uh I usually ask

1023
00:45:17,390 --> 00:45:15,359
people to put their questions in caps

1024
00:45:19,370 --> 00:45:17,400
but I happen to catch this one has

1025
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:19,380
anyone traveled through rural Africa

1026
00:45:23,150 --> 00:45:21,599
looking for similar sightings that may

1027
00:45:25,550 --> 00:45:23,160
not have been talked about outside of

1028
00:45:27,170 --> 00:45:25,560
the local areas

1029
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:27,180
Cynthia do that because she was so

1030
00:45:33,410 --> 00:45:29,280
involved in writing that book

1031
00:45:34,670 --> 00:45:33,420
if um she had obviously she wrote This

1032
00:45:37,550 --> 00:45:34,680
Book

1033
00:45:39,890 --> 00:45:37,560
the one this one here she was actually

1034
00:45:43,370 --> 00:45:39,900
finishing this book the second book

1035
00:45:47,790 --> 00:45:43,380
UFOs of Africa and just when she was

1036
00:45:47,870 --> 00:45:47,800
finishing it the aerial event happened

1037
00:45:48,950 --> 00:45:47,880
[Music]

1038
00:45:50,690 --> 00:45:48,960
um

1039
00:45:54,290 --> 00:45:50,700
I mean

1040
00:45:57,109 --> 00:45:54,300
there's a case called uh if I remember

1041
00:45:59,870 --> 00:45:57,119
right it's La Rochelle

1042
00:46:01,430 --> 00:45:59,880
a town in the Eastern Highlands of

1043
00:46:04,030 --> 00:46:01,440
Zimbabwe

1044
00:46:07,490 --> 00:46:04,040
and there's like a missionary

1045
00:46:10,010 --> 00:46:07,500
Retreat area there very beautiful

1046
00:46:12,050 --> 00:46:10,020
and

1047
00:46:13,250 --> 00:46:12,060
some of the local people who worked

1048
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:13,260
around the mystery

1049
00:46:19,130 --> 00:46:17,520
saw this ball of fire rolling across the

1050
00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:19,140
lawn of this place

1051
00:46:24,109 --> 00:46:22,800
a large bowl and this boar rolled up the

1052
00:46:27,050 --> 00:46:24,119
tower

1053
00:46:29,410 --> 00:46:27,060
went into the room up at the top of the

1054
00:46:33,170 --> 00:46:29,420
tower burst into flames

1055
00:46:37,430 --> 00:46:33,180
reconstituted rolled down

1056
00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:37,440
and then it opened up and there was

1057
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:41,760
uh if I remember being standing there

1058
00:46:47,390 --> 00:46:45,119
and one of the people ran up to say oh

1059
00:46:49,309 --> 00:46:47,400
you know what's going on you know it's

1060
00:46:53,150 --> 00:46:49,319
confused and when the bean turned around

1061
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:55,069
the managers

1062
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:57,359
standing there but it wasn't the manager

1063
00:47:00,530 --> 00:46:59,040
because when this person turned around

1064
00:47:02,390 --> 00:47:00,540
to face him

1065
00:47:04,250 --> 00:47:02,400
there's this bright light coming from

1066
00:47:06,170 --> 00:47:04,260
his head like a torch you know extremely

1067
00:47:08,510 --> 00:47:06,180
bright it was so bright that he fell to

1068
00:47:10,370 --> 00:47:08,520
the ground and looked down

1069
00:47:11,870 --> 00:47:10,380
and when he looked up again this beam

1070
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:11,880
was gone

1071
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:13,200
she's

1072
00:47:18,589 --> 00:47:15,359
that's a crazy one I love crazy ones

1073
00:47:21,770 --> 00:47:18,599
like that that was a bizarre activity

1074
00:47:24,349 --> 00:47:21,780
you know this ball of light rolling

1075
00:47:26,809 --> 00:47:24,359
up the building wall but it didn't

1076
00:47:28,550 --> 00:47:26,819
actually squat or burn anything you know

1077
00:47:30,170 --> 00:47:28,560
hmm

1078
00:47:33,230 --> 00:47:30,180
um

1079
00:47:35,329 --> 00:47:33,240
and then we had what other cases

1080
00:47:39,370 --> 00:47:35,339
there's an interesting case in one of

1081
00:47:42,290 --> 00:47:39,380
Cynthia's older ones which is the

1082
00:47:46,370 --> 00:47:42,300
Peter and Francis uh

1083
00:47:48,170 --> 00:47:46,380
trip to South Africa that was installed

1084
00:47:51,290 --> 00:47:48,180
in the 70s

1085
00:47:53,210 --> 00:47:51,300
they were driving from Harare all the

1086
00:47:55,849 --> 00:47:53,220
way to South Africa

1087
00:48:00,710 --> 00:47:55,859
and on their trip

1088
00:48:06,530 --> 00:48:00,720
they encountered the UFO they saw UFO

1089
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:08,329
you know they saw it several times

1090
00:48:12,530 --> 00:48:10,319
actually when they passed they put fuel

1091
00:48:14,329 --> 00:48:12,540
in the car and as they left this town

1092
00:48:15,829 --> 00:48:14,339
the UFO came back

1093
00:48:18,770 --> 00:48:15,839
and they were always looking out the

1094
00:48:21,410 --> 00:48:18,780
window in fear what was going on

1095
00:48:22,910 --> 00:48:21,420
and they felt they had this feeling that

1096
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:22,920
something happened to them so they

1097
00:48:25,849 --> 00:48:24,480
couldn't explain like they had some kind

1098
00:48:28,309 --> 00:48:25,859
of machine time

1099
00:48:30,710 --> 00:48:28,319
oh so um

1100
00:48:31,790 --> 00:48:30,720
and when they got to the border to South

1101
00:48:34,970 --> 00:48:31,800
Africa

1102
00:48:36,410 --> 00:48:34,980
and they decided to put some Petrol in

1103
00:48:41,150 --> 00:48:36,420
the car

1104
00:48:43,730 --> 00:48:41,160
filled in hundreds of kilometers was

1105
00:48:46,370 --> 00:48:43,740
still in there so they had like hardly

1106
00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:46,380
moved so they couldn't understand why

1107
00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:50,400
why that happened yes so in South Africa

1108
00:48:53,690 --> 00:48:52,319
where they were staying synthia got them

1109
00:48:55,550 --> 00:48:53,700
to

1110
00:48:58,190 --> 00:48:55,560
she asked for if they could have a

1111
00:48:59,870 --> 00:48:58,200
hypnotist regress them to find out what

1112
00:49:01,670 --> 00:48:59,880
happened

1113
00:49:03,530 --> 00:49:01,680
and

1114
00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:03,540
now the hypnotists who are the total

1115
00:49:07,309 --> 00:49:05,040
skeptic

1116
00:49:09,170 --> 00:49:07,319
they didn't you know it wasn't like a

1117
00:49:11,510 --> 00:49:09,180
year for investigate the hypnotist or

1118
00:49:13,849 --> 00:49:11,520
Internet it was just a normal hypnotist

1119
00:49:15,710 --> 00:49:13,859
and um

1120
00:49:19,670 --> 00:49:15,720
when they took them back to the event

1121
00:49:22,370 --> 00:49:19,680
they described their car being taken up

1122
00:49:25,730 --> 00:49:22,380
into the craft

1123
00:49:28,250 --> 00:49:25,740
and somehow they were putting some kind

1124
00:49:29,930 --> 00:49:28,260
of simulator to simulate the environment

1125
00:49:33,290 --> 00:49:29,940
around them

1126
00:49:35,109 --> 00:49:33,300
so but the environment looked a bit too

1127
00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:35,119
Lush like almost

1128
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:39,359
jungle wet looked a bit strange to what

1129
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,650
so they were kind of like

1130
00:49:48,650 --> 00:49:46,910
I don't know

1131
00:49:51,650 --> 00:49:48,660
um they were like test subjects before

1132
00:49:53,329 --> 00:49:51,660
me put it that way but

1133
00:49:55,250 --> 00:49:53,339
so they asked them what do they want

1134
00:49:56,930 --> 00:49:55,260
from you why do they do this they said

1135
00:50:02,510 --> 00:49:56,940
they were

1136
00:50:05,150 --> 00:50:02,520
wanting to find out about a UFO case

1137
00:50:08,329 --> 00:50:05,160
he encountered years ago

1138
00:50:09,770 --> 00:50:08,339
so this person who was telling Cynthia

1139
00:50:12,530 --> 00:50:09,780
about this case

1140
00:50:15,050 --> 00:50:12,540
the UFO was actually trying to find out

1141
00:50:15,950 --> 00:50:15,060
about a case they were involved in years

1142
00:50:20,089 --> 00:50:15,960
ago

1143
00:50:22,069 --> 00:50:20,099
hmm of a and so they asked did you see a

1144
00:50:24,589 --> 00:50:22,079
UFO at that time and he said yes when

1145
00:50:26,809 --> 00:50:24,599
you're younger you're driving around the

1146
00:50:29,329 --> 00:50:26,819
corner and there's a year for hovering

1147
00:50:31,490 --> 00:50:29,339
above the road and if

1148
00:50:34,730 --> 00:50:31,500
and he put on the brakes and in the UFO

1149
00:50:37,550 --> 00:50:34,740
shot off but it embedded some kind of

1150
00:50:40,130 --> 00:50:37,560
material in his car when it shut off you

1151
00:50:41,870 --> 00:50:40,140
know like wow his car

1152
00:50:43,849 --> 00:50:41,880
so somehow these

1153
00:50:47,450 --> 00:50:43,859
wherever these creatures are were kind

1154
00:50:49,849 --> 00:50:47,460
of interested in this other UFO they he

1155
00:50:52,490 --> 00:50:49,859
encountered

1156
00:50:54,770 --> 00:50:52,500
so the invest the hypnotist asked how

1157
00:50:55,730 --> 00:50:54,780
did they travel things like that and

1158
00:50:58,609 --> 00:50:55,740
they said

1159
00:51:00,829 --> 00:50:58,619
um they don't travel like linearly

1160
00:51:02,650 --> 00:51:00,839
they're traveling time

1161
00:51:06,829 --> 00:51:02,660
you know

1162
00:51:09,290 --> 00:51:06,839
there's some type of time thing it's

1163
00:51:11,930 --> 00:51:09,300
almost like time for them is a

1164
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:11,940
destination to get to they say they like

1165
00:51:17,329 --> 00:51:14,640
go back in time then forwarding time

1166
00:51:20,450 --> 00:51:17,339
so they use time like to get to

1167
00:51:23,510 --> 00:51:20,460
something closer they go back in time

1168
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:23,520
it seems it seems uh it seems like I'm

1169
00:51:28,370 --> 00:51:25,440
hearing more and more of things

1170
00:51:30,829 --> 00:51:28,380
like that for uh you know and and

1171
00:51:32,690 --> 00:51:30,839
different people I talk to a couple of

1172
00:51:34,730 --> 00:51:32,700
things I I can't believe where I know

1173
00:51:36,410 --> 00:51:34,740
you're it's very early in the morning

1174
00:51:38,270 --> 00:51:36,420
for you there so we're not going to be

1175
00:51:40,010 --> 00:51:38,280
going longer than just a few more

1176
00:51:40,970 --> 00:51:40,020
minutes here but

1177
00:51:42,829 --> 00:51:40,980
um

1178
00:51:44,990 --> 00:51:42,839
someone wanted to know if any of

1179
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:45,000
Cynthia's books are available in North

1180
00:51:49,250 --> 00:51:47,040
America would you know that I know you

1181
00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:49,260
live in England

1182
00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:53,520
I have seen some of her UFOs of Africa

1183
00:51:59,150 --> 00:51:55,440
out in

1184
00:52:02,569 --> 00:51:59,160
on Amazon I believe oh okay but

1185
00:52:05,390 --> 00:52:02,579
this book is extremely rare

1186
00:52:08,329 --> 00:52:05,400
yeah so um I do have a couple of them

1187
00:52:11,569 --> 00:52:08,339
but um it's I just keep them as like

1188
00:52:13,849 --> 00:52:11,579
gold basically sure yeah yeah

1189
00:52:15,230 --> 00:52:13,859
um and then uh I like this question here

1190
00:52:17,329 --> 00:52:15,240
because I've I don't think I've ever

1191
00:52:19,490 --> 00:52:17,339
asked this if anyone I've interviewed of

1192
00:52:21,950 --> 00:52:19,500
any of the kids but have any of them

1193
00:52:24,650 --> 00:52:21,960
ever reported uh further encounters

1194
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:24,660
later on in life that you're aware of

1195
00:52:31,089 --> 00:52:27,599
no I haven't heard of any of the kids

1196
00:52:34,490 --> 00:52:31,099
telling me that I mean at least I know

1197
00:52:38,930 --> 00:52:34,500
one of the children who lives in the UK

1198
00:52:41,569 --> 00:52:38,940
Lisa Liesel uh she's in the UK so but I

1199
00:52:43,010 --> 00:52:41,579
haven't managed to speak to her directly

1200
00:52:45,290 --> 00:52:43,020
yet

1201
00:52:46,309 --> 00:52:45,300
I know sometimes I like to keep them in

1202
00:52:48,650 --> 00:52:46,319
their personal environment because

1203
00:52:50,930 --> 00:52:48,660
sometimes they get hounded by people if

1204
00:52:53,930 --> 00:52:50,940
they get to know them so I don't want to

1205
00:52:55,730 --> 00:52:53,940
into Fiat but I'll probably once I get

1206
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:55,740
asked

1207
00:52:59,510 --> 00:52:57,839
comfortable with me I might be able to

1208
00:53:01,849 --> 00:52:59,520
speak to them because I remember

1209
00:53:03,530 --> 00:53:01,859
speaking to Francis he agreed to speak

1210
00:53:05,809 --> 00:53:03,540
to me and he wanted

1211
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:05,819
to I asked him if he would be willing to

1212
00:53:10,190 --> 00:53:08,400
speak on a program which he said yes at

1213
00:53:12,890 --> 00:53:10,200
first but then he

1214
00:53:15,790 --> 00:53:12,900
he didn't didn't want to be involved

1215
00:53:19,010 --> 00:53:15,800
later on he just found it

1216
00:53:23,569 --> 00:53:19,020
overwhelming you know yes yeah I've had

1217
00:53:25,490 --> 00:53:23,579
uh I had Francis on once and then tried

1218
00:53:27,349 --> 00:53:25,500
again and back again and yeah he does go

1219
00:53:30,049 --> 00:53:27,359
through those phases where it is

1220
00:53:31,910 --> 00:53:30,059
overwhelming for him so we're at the end

1221
00:53:34,910 --> 00:53:31,920
already I can't believe how quickly that

1222
00:53:37,250 --> 00:53:34,920
went with you I invite you to come back

1223
00:53:38,809 --> 00:53:37,260
again in another time if you would no

1224
00:53:41,990 --> 00:53:38,819
that would be a pleasure Martin

1225
00:53:46,849 --> 00:53:42,000
definitely yes thanks so much

1226
00:53:48,950 --> 00:53:46,859
no problem okay take care thank you bye

1227
00:53:51,470 --> 00:53:48,960
all right everyone so we'll be back next

1228
00:53:53,809 --> 00:53:51,480
week with Mike clelland that should be a

1229
00:53:57,410 --> 00:53:53,819
fun uh funner interview with him he's

1230
00:53:59,030 --> 00:53:57,420
been on before and uh I guess that's

1231
00:54:01,280 --> 00:53:59,040
about it we'll see you next week and

1232
00:54:12,530 --> 00:54:01,290
remember to keep your eyes to the sky